Topic: Lyrics on stage

Hi folks,

I am suffering huge problems with remembering the lyrics. For now I am using a simple map with lyrics, but at a congress I saw people using look through mirrors so they could see text and still have contact with the audience.

Does anybody know how this works abnd which companies sell this?

....or do you have a nice trick for me?

Best regards,
Martin

Re: Lyrics on stage

Hiya Klapgeest,

I have no idea... Sounds very interesting though!

Cheers,

Joey

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Well, I think you should know the proper steps on how to memorize lyrics. That would help you on your problem. Good luck!

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OK, but what are these proper steps?

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Heya Klapgeest,

When I'm trying to remember new lyrics, I'll often use tricks like this to help me:-

- Write the lyrics down on a piece of paper a few times.
- Keep going over the song in my head for a while, stopping and checking the piece of paper when I reach a point where I get stuck. I'll keep doing this until I no longer get stuck for the words.
- Think about the story of the lyric... if I can get caught up in what the meaning of the lyric is, this helps paint pictures in my mind which ultimately help jolt my memory.
- Leave the song playing on repeat while I'm doing my day to day stuff.
- Note the areas of the lyric where I'm having trouble remembering and just focus on those particular bits over and over again.

Hope that helps a little!

Best wishes,

Joey smile

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Hi Joey,

Thank you very much for the tips and tricks - i surely will try them!

Greetings,
Martin

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You're very welcome Martin!

I'm sure you'll discover tricks of your own along the way (and hope you'll share them too as I can always use an extra trick when it comes to remembering lyric!).

Cheers,

Joey

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You can keep a list of your repertoire nearby with the first line of each song (or even each verse/chorus). This might be enough to jog your memory. Once in awhile I'll forget how a song starts even though I've sung it a thousand times. If I can get that first line (I'll ask the saxophonist) I'm good. This little

You could also try using a cloze test for the songs that really frustrate you. A cloze test is an excercise or test where you remove every nth (2nd, 3rd, etc) word. I use a verbal version of this to solidify trouble spots with a chorus I direct. Here's an online cloze test creator: http://l.georges.online.fr/tools/cloze.html
I used it to remove every 3rd word from this classic:

____ take those ___ records off ___ shelf
___ sit and ______ to 'em __ myself
_______ music aln '__ got the ____ soul
_ like that ___ time rock '_' roll
_____ try to ____ me to _ disco
_____ never even ___ me out __ the floor
__ ten minutes ___ be late ___ the door
I like ____ old time _____'' roll

Last edited by rodmusic (2010-07-13 05:50:27)

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Dont worry about remembering the lyrics. We have been playing live for years and I have a Musicpad to look at, and the girl singers have little 7" screens attached to the mic stands with the lyrics scrolling up. (We use Midimaestro with backing tracks and have the screens connected).
I have tinted reading glasses (we do a lot of outdoor shows) so no-one can see where I'm looking!

After a while you start remembering the lyrics anyway.

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Some of it depends on the band and context.  If you're sick of the song you're there...

Last edited by Live Sound Audio (2010-07-19 14:18:42)

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Also, remember the last word of the line... the next line probably rhymes, if you get the last word of the next line, you will probably remember the rest of the line. When in doubt... just phonate in the general direction (called "speaking chinese") of the lyric until you remember where you are... NEVER just go silent! smile

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It can be a problem especially when you have a lot of songs in your rep. What I do that might help you with the more difficult lyrics to remember is to create a storyline in your head based around the first couple of words in every verse/chorus or even every line. You have to associate the lyric with a story you make up in your head, then it is easier to remember 1, the lyric and 2, the order of the lyrics.

Hope this helps :-)

Tod Woodward
Pro solo singer/guitarist
love for singing
increase vocal range
improve my singing

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I use either PowerTracks or RealBand from PG music, both have the ability to scroll lyrics and chords on screen, and are full on DAW sequencers so they can control Synths, and TC products. PT is rather inexpensive as well around $50

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I'm in a band that does a large repertoire of songs and they often change them during shows so, even though I have most of the songs memorized, I need the lyrics at hand.  I bought a used Toshiba Portege Tablet PC ($300-400 on eBay) which has a screen that swivels so that it will lay flat on a music stand.  I have all my lyrics sheets loaded in word files and special folders for the different venues (acoustic, outdoors, etc.  I usually open up 30-40 files at the beginning of the show and just close them as we finish each song.  I can find any other song at a moment's notice. 

Tips: Get the largest screen you can afford, and keep hard copies just in case power goes out.  Unfortunately, the LCD screen is hard to see outdoors in direct sunlight so just beware. 

But it works great 90% of the time.  Good Luck!

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you got very interesting problem over there..
here let me share you something...
though I don't know who the author is..
but been using it for long time already...
just read it you'll find ideas...

smile  smile  smile


Learning the Words

It's important to understand that everyone has their own way of learning - what may work for one, may not work for another. There are several methods that can be used to help you learn the words to songs, try each method and combine one or more styles until you find what works for you.
Visual learners find it easier to have a printed copy to learn from and writing or typing out the words several times helps them to memorize the lyrics.
Auditory learners learn best from using practice tapes or practicing with an accompanist. 'Hearing' how the song is performed and singing along to the music provides a guideline for the singer which helps them to memorize the words.
Kinaesthetic learners find imitation, practice, touch and movement the best way to learn. Associating movements with the song can help to provide imagery, although more repetitions may be required as people who use this method have the most trouble memorizing music.
The best methods for learning the words to a song are repetition and 'Mnemonics' which is another word for memory tool. Mnemonics are methods for memorizing information that can be difficult to remember. A simple example is the '30 days hath September' rhyme. The principle of mnemonics is to use as many of the best functions of your brain as possible to store information.
Learning songs that are written in a foreign language can also be achieved by using the same methods. It also helps to hear the song performed by an artist singing in their native dialect. This aids the student in achieving the correct pronounciation and diction. Learning the meaning of the words will make them easier to recall and helps the singer to perform with more feeling.
Don't put off memorizing until the last minute! When performing there are lots of distractions and if you are dancing or moving its easy to forget the words you should be singing! At first you need to concentrate hard to recall the lyrics so the more you repeat them the easier it becomes. You should keep at it until recalling the words becomes automatic, then you will ensure that even if you suffer from nerves or are distracted on stage you will remember the song!


Lyrics Exercises

Choose a short phrase then talk and sing the words repeatedly until you can sing it without looking at the music. Repeat this with the second phrase then put them both together, repeating from memory, keep doing this until you can repeat the whole song. When a large amount of songs need to be memorised for a theatrical show or opera performance, learn the ones you like the least first!

1. Read and repeat the words in short bursts - little and often is more effective than trying to cram it in over several hours.
2. Make notes about the songs theme and imagery.
3. Make a tape of yourself speaking and singing the lyrics.
4. Speak and sing the rhythm of the song.
5. Write or type the words whilst repeating them.
6. Associate foreign words with ones you already know.
7. Learn the words whilst playing a practice track in the car or when doing odd jobs.
8. Learn the lyrics in reverse order (last verse first) and repeat the words at various times during the day.
9. Repeat the song every day, singing or saying the words out loud.
10. Use vivid, humorous and exaggerated images or symbols to help associate the words
11. Associate each word with an image, combining these to create a journey through the song.
12. Memorise the words without the music then put it together with the music.
13. Try to 'hear' the song and the words in your head whilst watching tv or listening to another song.
14. Your brain keeps working at night so run through what you have learnt before you go to sleep.
15. If you have a practice tape, play it at low volume as you are falling asleep.
16. When learning 'harmonies' or 'backing vocals' record a tape of your part alone and one with all the other singers parts. Practice to your part then along with the other singers parts.
17. Practice a verse whilst doing something repetative (like washing up!)
18. Keep copies of the song everywhere! In the car, bathroom, by the telephone and practice the words whenever you can.
19. Carry a portable tape player and headphones with you where ever you go - listen to it on the bus, during tea breaks and during lunch breaks.
20. Reward yourself with a treat when you have successfully memorised the words and can sing it through in front of friends without referring to the words.
Once you have learnt a song, review it often to keep it fresh and reinforce the memory.


Tips for Readers

There are some singers who have real problems memorizing lyrics, to the point that they just cannot sing the song without referring to the words. Perhaps the singer deputises for others and requires a larger than usual repertoire of songs.
Whatever the reason the singer feels they need to have reference material on stage, there are a few things that can be done to avoid appearing amateurish and unprofessional.
Learn to 'read ahead' of the music. Quickly scanning the words ahead of the point that you are currently at allows you to look at the audience whilst singing - instead of at the music!
Try not to look at the words or sheet music unless you are really stuck! If you only need to look at the words occassionally for reference, put the music stand or sheet music at the side of the stage. Wander over between songs to take a quick look, keep talking to the audience or take a sip of water whilst you do this so that it appears natural and not as if you are really brushing up on the words!
Learn to 'improvise' or replace the words with your own if you forget the originals - it's not as professional and if you are performing a well known song then members of the audience will notice, but singing something rather than stopping altogether is more likely to 'jog' the memory and help you to pick up the song at a point you remember (like the chorus).
When using a music stand, avoid putting it right in front of you. Place it as far away from you as possible to the side most comfortable for reference and angle it slightly towards you.
If you are short sighted and unable to avoid placing the stand right next to you, lower it so that the audiences view is unhampered. Write the lyrics out in large print and place them in plastic 'anti-glare' pockets. You can purchase ready made folders with these attached in most stationary shops.
Try using 'Cue Cards' - one singer I know writes the first word or line of each verse and chorus onto a large card that is placed at the side of the stage. Reading the line enables her to remember the rest of the verse or chorus.
Cue Cards can also be used for audience participation - if you have real problems learning the words - write them out in large print onto a card, place them on a stand angled slightly towards the audience and invite them to join in!!
Become a Karaoke Jockey - reading the lyrics from the screen is expected!


hope it's a help... smile smile smile

Last edited by DanieLLe0216 (2010-09-02 18:53:42)

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I used to worry about getting the words exact... we were playing a gig and the lead guitar player couldn't sing a song so I learned the words in our hotel room before we went on. I made cheat sheets with some of the words to help remind me... well I was getting a bit lost and went to look down, and our light man hit me in the face with a chaser spot.... on purpose... we were good friends and he knew I was floundering... the line was ending and I had no idea what to say next... so I started making stuff up that sounded close... the lead guitar player knew and looked across at me with an odd look and laughed... keyboardist knew... but the dance floor was bouncing and nobody said anything when the song ws finished... I stopped worrying after that... it's close enough for rock and roll baby

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Try to recording your song step by step... When you record it step by step , lyrics get unforgettable:)))

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Hey Martin,

I am a solo artist, I play guitar, I use midi files and I also use mp3 backing tracks and karaoke files. I have a rep of around 300 songs and I don't care how good you think you are you will never remember them all so stop fretting. After years on stage struggling with books I decided to go searching for a better option, and after trying many things I have found this to be the best. I use a USB 7" monitor (You can get these for 100-200 bucks)connected to my laptop that sits on top of my sound gear beside me. On the laptop I have my files and the words and chords appear on the screen. Now that's the easy part, setting it up is not really difficult but time consuming. I use a program called Karafun, it allows me to import any music format weather it be midi or mp3 and then put my own lyrics and chords on top of them and save them as a file, pretty much exactly the same as what you would see at a karaoke show except for the chords included. Now I cant remember 300 lots of chords and also 300 lots of lyrics I aint that smart, most performers that have seen my setup love it. Some downfalls are that outdoors is an issue with light shining on the screen and initial setup time can be a bit of a pain but once you have done the hard yards its easy street.

Hope this helps good luck.

Richard

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klapgeest wrote:

... I saw people using look through mirrors so they could see text and still have contact with the audience.

Does anybody know how this works abnd which companies sell this?

Its called a teleprompter, and they are quite expensive.  It also takes a dedicated computer, specialized software, and an addittional person (usually) to control the speed at which the words scroll across the screen.

Try getting an ipad or other tablet device and just attach it to your mic stand.

Jim

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I use an old laptop running power point, (I have several setlist options programmed for different venues) all running white lyrics on a black background. I then plug this into a 19" monitor mounted in a box I made to look EXACTLY like a stage monitor from the front and sides.
Then rigged a one button footswitch to a usb mouse which using the settings within powerpoint, changes the lyrics forwards one page at a time with each press!
Works BRILLIANT and I've been using it now for about two years without any problems, and it's cheap as chips. smile

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You can try also this on ebay it is 10$
Software PC-Songbook

http://pjesmarica.jimdo.com/english/

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For the more modern people in here ;-)
I use a iPad and a software called unrealBook.
To switch the Lyrics you can use a footswitch called AirTurn witch is connected via bluetooth.
If you put the iPad on the micstand via iKlip you got easy access to all your stored lyrics.

Ralf

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I'm curious -- for those of you using iPads or laptops to display your lyrics. How visible are they when you are playing outdoors in full sunlight?

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There are definitely some viable electronic solutions based on teleprompters for presenting your lyrics on stage but these inevitably end up being overly expensive and often over engineered/fiddly. 

So at the end of the day, nothing really beats a folder full of printed song sheets!

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I'm a full time working musician. If you have an IPad there's an app called 'onsong'.... It's perfect! And very easy to use.... And very cheap. You can get iPad stands. You'll never have problems with lighting. I use the 'airturn' pedal to scroll up and down (it connects to he iPad via Bluetooth). I bought the iPad just for the app and have used it at 100 's of gigs. No regrets! Just make sure you have a bit of shade in sunlight

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hegiian wrote:

I use an old laptop running power point, (I have several setlist options programmed for different venues) all running white lyrics on a black background. I then plug this into a 19" monitor mounted in a box I made to look EXACTLY like a stage monitor from the front and sides.
Then rigged a one button footswitch to a usb mouse which using the settings within powerpoint, changes the lyrics forwards one page at a time with each press!
Works BRILLIANT and I've been using it now for about two years without any problems, and it's cheap as chips. smile

;-)

Interesting. I've been doing this exact thing right down to the white lyrics on a black background for a couple years now as well. I bought a junk laptop and a 19" lcd on ebay and it works like a charm. I don't have the monitor in a box and I use a cheap powerpoint presenter thing to change slides but otherwise it's the same deal.

I JUST started using a low end android tablet with a mic stand mount. Last saturday was the first time for this and it worked as well as the laptop. Less to carry so it seems like the thing moving forward. I have quickoffice on it which reads the same powerpoint file I was using on the laptop so I didn't even have to redo it.

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Yep, I use the ipad with OnSong also its great!! I use it with the "lowlight" setting which turns the back ground black and the text white. works great!!

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I'm and ipad OnSong guy as well... love it.  And the dev Jason is always looking to improve it. He'll answer your emails personally and listen to ideas regarding implementing new ideas.  I also use it in low light setting, and not just for outdoor sunny stuff but if you're in a fairly dark bar you don't want the ipad lighting up your face... I put it on low light mode and then go in and turn the brightness of the ipad as low as it will go.

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I am a solo guitar vocalist who struggles to remember lyrics and chords. I use a laptop with a programme called POWER MUSIC 4. You can enter lyrics and chord files, sheet music files, link them to mp3 tracks, and use a footpedal page turner. Have used it for 18 mths no problem.

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ozzysteve wrote:

Dont worry about remembering the lyrics. We have been playing live for years and I have a Musicpad to look at, and the girl singers have little 7" screens attached to the mic stands with the lyrics scrolling up. (We use Midimaestro with backing tracks and have the screens connected).
I have tinted reading glasses (we do a lot of outdoor shows) so no-one can see where I'm looking!

After a while you start remembering the lyrics anyway.

Think about the story of the lyric... if I can get caught up in what the meaning of the lyric is, this helps paint pictures in my mind which ultimately help jolt my memory.