Topic: Synvocalist

Should we give another name to vocalists who are primarily studio or machine made.   I propose synvocalist (or sinvocalist)?  smile

Last edited by WebAndNet (2008-07-17 14:20:23)

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Re: Synvocalist

So are you going to call every vocalist who records a synvocalist? I propose not pointing the finger till you get signed and record a few albums...There is a lot more to the recording studio than you know.

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I agree being a great vocalist doesn't equate to survival or making a living. so if it's your hobby you can do what you want- but if you need to survive and feed yourself, you may have to use that crap to produce a competitive product and after 20 years of singing hard and trying to obtain an Ideal- i also have teeth rotting in my mouth because i can't afford dental care- so if some one wants me to record apop song with 99 million effect at this point i will, because it will keep my teeth in my mouth and allow me to continue doing what i like the rest of the time. WebAndNet Try surving as a full time pro musician for 20 years or so,before you make those statement. I advocate real singing, learning harmony etc. unfortunately clubs don't pay much and the recording industry defines cutting edge these day as pasted together, high tech. Most of the great vocalist i know are barely surviving

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I never liked steroid athletes, because overall, they don't enhance the degree of competition (as others simply have to also take steroids) or appreciation of sports.  I've never liked most cosmetic surgery, because its overall competition created don't increase all women's chance of being loved. 

And there are definitely downside to all these artificial means.  (BTW, singing improvements can be made in the body too.  Just take some acid-reducers--studies have shown something like 80% of acid reflux singers sing better using acid reducers.  Problem is even the latest ones, proton inhibitors, are shown to reduce bone density.)

The market economy is competitive, so basically, if others use it, it forces you to use it too.  Don't blame you one bit.   

My opinion though is that these technologies have gone way too far.   Removing talent (should we really consider steroided Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds or the recent Yankees as the best ever?).  Now that I understand all the techniques used in recording (amazing!), I think the line should be drawn at live.  I'm suggesting that such synvocalist become more publicized--so people know what is real and isn't.

The clubs would pay just as much, (and even more for real talent), if EVERYONE stopped using these.   This is a market and technology difficulty, not an individual choice issue.

I actually like recordings modified.  These represent what the "ideal" situation can be.  But, I'm aware the recordings are synthetic.   When I see someone live, I expect to see real.  The market will win, but hope still exists.

Last edited by WebAndNet (2008-07-21 08:36:05)

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Re: Synvocalist

unfortunately the problem is the public doesn't in general seem to care and buy it regardless

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I agree.  The market will win.  But, if a new term was started for the synthetic voices, the market will distinguish between the two, and natural talent will regain some of its marketshare.  That's why I'm suggesting using a different term.

Ancient Greek statues were also idealized (people didn't really look as perfect as the statues), but these set a goal for the competitive Greeks.   But, when it came to real competition, the ancient Olympic games were rugged, bare, real competition.  That's how the Greeks became great.

I didn't know recordings were unreal, so constantly tried to sing like these idealized voices.  Still not there, but got a lot better.  Sooner or later, I'll be better than Patsy Cline.  smile

Last edited by WebAndNet (2008-07-21 08:41:36)

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Re: Synvocalist

Like this.

The guitar is an ancient instrument.   The electric guitar has a different entertainment role, and we differentiate between the two by commonly calling one acoustic guitar and the other electric guitar.  And they have different audiences with different marketshares.

Yet, we don't commonly differentiate between a real voice and a synthetic one.   They're both called vocalists, and perhaps shouldn't be.

Last edited by WebAndNet (2008-07-21 09:00:32)

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hey Chen if you can get them to do that more power to you!

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Re: Synvocalist

Well, that's part of the purpose of a discussion forum as this.  If we start using this term, guarantee you that it'll spread.

I suspect the classical singers already have a name for synthetic voices.  Anyone know what this is?

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They call it Crap! lol

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Re: Synvocalist

I don't know that its necessary to point fingers at people that use electronics because they can't sing.  I mean there is still a certain amount of artistry involved.  I don't have a problem, for example, with a great songwriter who also sings his or her own songs even if they aren't a great singer and use some modification in the studio.  Just as long as they are selling the music and not the vocal performance. 

The real problem though is its all about the sale.  Music industry looks for a band with one song that they can sell entire albums with.  People are gonna hear it on the radio then buy it (or download it there days) without ever thinking whether or not they can actually bring it live.

Actually, when it comes to rock, except doing vocal harmonies and obvious effects.  I think that for the most part the recorded vocals are fairly legit.  I think that pop and R&B are likely the ones more likely guilty of things like pitch correction.  Its usually not a big deal to go into a studio and scream your way through a song a few times and then cut and paste the good bits together.

Last edited by raythetse (2008-07-21 10:55:36)