Topic: Having "common" singing problems

Okay. Simply put,i have been singing for like one year plus and still having problems with it. For talking,i have been having the bad habit for like since young.
For my singing part,like other untrained guys,i can only hit till a E or F  for chest voice but the difference between me and them is that all the notes they hit before E/F is mostly or shall i say all are relax and even when they reach their limit and flip to falsetto,they have a big falsetto range and also done easily but for me, my falsetto is pulling "chest" to and pushing/squeezing, and when i going higher and higher,it becomes air gushing out and to let you guys note, my falsetto range is like barely 5 notes.

Recently,took up speech level and joined some traditional music school to get "rid" of those problems but i still remained the same but i discover that although i'm still squeezing, i feel that when i hit around E, the resonance is in my head,technically, everything in the head and the sound is so loud that i can only hear sound that is resonating in my head and i can't hear any single sound that is outside my head.

Does this mean that at least now i got it correctly that where my sound should resonate when it goes higher but the "loud" resonance that cause me enable to hear anything from external surroundings is because i'm still squeezing,pushing?

I totally can't relax. If i relax, i will flip to falsetto even before E. And i realize i can't scream(not saying screaming is good). Like when boys/girls see their favorite idol,they will scream,when i try to do that,i only feel that im squeezing but no sound is coming out at all.

Right now,my teacher is telling me to still do warm up and stuff and can try to higher the notes i hit for warm up but when im doing the warm up, its still squeezing and stuff so won't it remember the bad muscle memory more? or is this the correct way? slowly it will become more relax and stuff? Because i was thinking,i should be even stopping the squeezing.etc before i even think of expanding my range?

For my talking stuff,i realized sometimes when i'm with certain people or is used to talking them to a certain voice,it remains this way. As in, my voice turns deep and very soft and when i talk to them for long, i will semi-lose my voice but its not painful like sore throat. When i'm talking to them, it also sounded as if my voice was hoarse. My teacher said because i had no vocal adduction when talking.

Sorry for the long post but just to give you all a clear idea the problems i'm going through now so ya all can help me


Really appreciate it smile
Thanks

Last edited by Ardentash (2010-06-09 05:18:00)

Re: Having "common" singing problems

I have the same problem, my teacher say me to sing from diaphragm but i only make  vocal chord stretched and i feel pain, singing from diaphragm is still mistery too me. Do i have to make tone without my larinks? It is heavy because it is inside me and i cannot see it. No need to explane further, my problem is like his.

In advance
thanks...

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People say its possible to relax but i just cant get it.lol

Re: Having "common" singing problems

I have a hint for u Ardentash, maybe it is not usefull to you but my opinion to solution of this problem is to find place where your tone resonate in your head and remember it, it should be up, like it is in your forehead. Then just watch what your tongue and jaw chuck are doing, imagine they are not part of you but some object that cannot feel anything, then u will realy feel them in real time not just imagine them. Try to subordinate them to the resonace spot, it should fell like this: when u sing any tone, high or low, they shold stay in the allmoust same spot, like they are not yours but outside of you. YOU SHOULD NOT FORSE RELAXATION, it will just get worse. It is hard to accomplishe that and i just realised what i have to do. Practising it every day, 2 times for 30 min. I read Lili Lehman's book and it helped me a bit. Try this and reply was it usefull... smile

Re: Having "common" singing problems

I think I can help you with can the relaxation issue. I have been singing opera for more than 20 years and have gone thru the entire gamut in regards to "relaxing" while singing. I do not want to address the issue of technique because I have not heard you sing and that is something for you and your teacher to work out. Ultimately we need to be relaxed but have maximum energy output at the same time. A difficult balance indeed. I have been taking a number of different natural supplements for years that truly helps me relax yet stay present and have the energy I need and in no way affect my voice or health negatively. You may want to try this yourself. They are:
Theanine- this is found in green tea. It calms the nervous system but does not make you tired at all.
Borage Oil- this is from the borage plant and also comes in a tea form. Taken in to large amounts can make you drowsy so be aware of how it affects you before you sing.
Gaba- this one is very powerful and balances out the brain function to relax and focus in.
Good luck, if you need any other help with the health of your voice, you are welcome to visit my blog at Superiorvocalhealth.blogspot.com. I post every week for singers and voice professionals on how to deal with vocal health issues naturally.
Good luck,
David Aaron Katz

Last edited by Davidaaronkatz (2010-06-10 12:48:50)

Re: Having "common" singing problems

Thank you i will try and visit your blog. I will try to strenghten my mind too, the hardest way but very thankfull. Still, those stuff can only help me with that so i will gladly use them. See you on your blog...

Re: Having "common" singing problems

Good luck and let me know if there is anything I can help you with.
David Aaron katz

Re: Having "common" singing problems

Just keep practicing and it will come. There's no magic fix just hours of practice. Don't give up.

Tod Woodward
Pro solo singer/guitarist
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Re: Having "common" singing problems

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Hello,
I can relate and understand the frustration when it comes to singing incorrectly. Anyway, since you said you just started singing a year ago. Make sure you are doing it correctly when you’re producing a sound. It sounds like from what you’ve written that you have bad technique, since you are squeezing to produce a sound.  There should be airflow when you are singing, and even talking.  And when you squeeze your vocal chords, you're not letting the air to pass hence the vocal chords can't properly vibrate to produce a sound.


Here’s what I think.

1. Make sure you are breathing correctly.  You breathe using your diaphragm. Your diaphragm controls your breathing, they are underneath your lungs.  This will stop the tension from your throat.   

Do this:
Lie down on the floor and put a heavy object on your belly. Now breathe in and try to push your belly out as you breathe in. (this is how you should breathe when singing, from Belly-Up, not from your Chest-down) Try to control the air as you exhale.  Once you get the feeling, try doing it on a note, with an AHHH or an OOHH.  If you feel your throat is working too much or that you are squeezing to produce a sound, then you are doing it incorrectly.  There should be little work from your throat muscles and most of the pressure and work should be coming from your diaphragm controlling the air that is coming out of your lungs. 

Do this till you get the idea on how it should feel singing without tension from your throat.  Our bodies will remember things that are natural to do, in fact it's when we do things incorrectly that's when our bodies tend to react, which explains hoarseness or a sore throat.


Stop pulling chest voice.
People have higher ranges because they developed their voices properly. So since you are still a beginner, I suggest just focusing on developing a healthy vocal technique when singing, your range will develop as you progress.   Another reason why others can reach their range with ease,  that is because they developed and connected their vocalbridges, which means it’s easier for them to access those high notes with minimal effort.

If you didn’t know, our voices have bridges. I have a bridge going from my bass voice going to my chest voice then I have a bridge going from my chest voice to my head voice.  You should be able to feel this too when you are trying to sing. It’s like a wall stopping you from smoothly transitioning from different voice registers. I can’t suggest exercise since I don’t know where you are exactly with your voice, and not all exercises work with each singer.  This is actually a bit more advance. Try not to be obsessed with range and try working on vocal tonality, pitch, proper technique, and your ear. Like I said range comes in later.


When you are trying to reach for higher notes, STOP squeezing, actually STOP SQUEEZING in general.  You are actually straining your vocal chords and if you keep doing it, you’re going to damage them. You never want to squeeze to produce a sound, remember that your throat muscles never have to work that hard to produce a sound. If you are still squeezing then you haven’t properly established correct vocal breathing.   This is why they tell you to relax. When you relax your throat muscles relax, producing a sound should feel natural and easy for your body to produce. Try humming, if it's hard for you to even hum a note/sound then you are still producing tension in your throat.

Whenever you're going up your range transfer the resonance to your head, you should feel it towards your nasal cavity. Your vocal chords actually zips up whenever you go higher in your range and it's going to be a lot harder if you haven't trained your chords to smoothly transition between bridges.   I think you mention something about hitting the E note above middle C.    Yes, that is the correct way on trying to hit higher notes, you transfer from chest voice to your head voice-not falsetto;these two are different. The incorrect way is pulling chest voice to reach that high note while squeezing your vocal chords. Ouch!

Head voice is hard to explain without showing it to you. Some people argue that for men head voice is falsetto. But I think its not. For me, its a mixture of falsetto and chest, its very pure sounding, rather than the airy falsetto. 

As you can see there's a lot to learn from your voice. For some, these things come naturally probably because of being exposed to it at an early age, but for some it takes a lot of work and discipline. For me, I try to vocalize everyday and I make sure that I pay attention on how my vocal chords feels before, during and after.

Just try singing with the breathing technique I mentioned, and with your larynx(adam’s apple down). Don’t force it down, it’s like yawning. When you yawn your larynx naturally goes down. Yawning is good for singers, actually try to hold your yawn then produce a note. You can tell that the sound is much more richer and healthier than a force squeezed sound.
Don't squeezed whenever you are singing and talking, making sure that the air that came in, also comes out. Try talking/singing while you are relax with breath support and ignore how it sound like. Keep  doing this till your body gets used to it. If you can't relax, lie down on the floor and try to talk or sing.

And finally don't compare yourself to other experience singers. They're obviously are in a different level, just look at  them as to what you want to aspire to be.  Its like comparing a level 10 mage to a level 50 or 75 mage(lol @ WOW). 


I can go on and on about this. But if you’re really serious about developing your voice then acquire correct vocal techniques. Your voice teacher should help you with this. You said you sing classical music in choir, keep at it. Classical singing is great, since it uses healthy vocal techniques. But you still have to know how to properly execute it.  Also listen to artist with healthy vocal techniques. Use your ear and feel how someone sings.  Its kinda like when another guy gets hit in the balls by a football. All guys can feel the pain right? It's the same concept when listening.
Artist that I can recommend for you to listen and  feel how they use their own vocal chords, is Josh Groban and  Bob Dylan(not his early stuff, his most recent and live). Compare the two, and see if you can feel how each artist uses their vocal chords to produce a sound.




Good luck!

My background:
Been singing since I was 5, was in choir for all my life in school. And I’m currently getting a Bachelor’s of Science in music and my instrument is my voice.  I damaged my voice 3 years ago, by acquiring bad techniques since I started singing pop music. I sung classical music throughout high school and three years in college but when I started developing a more mainstream sound it went sour. So it’s crucial to have proper technique no matter what.

Last edited by Milojames (2011-01-04 15:13:44)

Re: Having "common" singing problems

Second everything Milojames is saying. If there is any strain you are doing something wrong. You should run out of air before you have to strain. And please remember I'm still learning too so make sure you do some research before you attempt this just in case I got something wrong.

Definitely get these two thing right before attempting to sing loud or high, or perhaps even anything else:

Breathing. It's actually quite simple. In addition to the above, raise your sternum and put your hands on your belly button. Take a tone and make sure the belly button goes in towards your spine without any help. That's it.

Tongue. Without correct and relaxed tongue it will block the throat and you will have to strain one way or another to produce tone. Google will turn out heaps on it, even a lot of dangerous and outright wrong information so here's a guideline. Push gently with your thumb at the soft spot under your chin. You should be able to push the tongue to to roof of your mouth with your thumb. This soft area should be relaxed when singing, all the time. Tongue should be raised and rounded as a little furrow, or concave, like when you pushed it up with your thumb and the very tip resting behind the lower front teeth, and perhaps even touch your lower lip. Sing the word "sing" and sustain the "ng". Lower the tongue just a tiny wee bit to let air out there. That should relax the tongue and move it out of the way. Now try to sing an "ee" (italian i) and retain that relaxed feeling, concave tongue and airflow from your belly button. It's more to it than this but I'm sure it'll take some strain off as a start.

Last edited by Fred (2011-01-05 03:37:15)

Re: Having "common" singing problems

Honestly, I got lost in the details of your post pretty quickly... But if you're having trouble developing your head voice range, try bringing it lower. Don't wait till you reach your highest full voice note and then try to switch to head voice. Instead, try to switch to head voice at a lower note. This has helped me strengthen the lower end of my head voice range, and I can switch to head voice, before there is tension in the upper end of my full voice.