Topic: Has anyone tried any of these vocal programs? Please give your opinion

I have got a few vocal programs and would want to know if anyone has any experience with any of these. Please answer the questions below.
Programs:

Roger Love- Vocal Power/ Set your voice free/ Sing like the stars
Shelley Kristen- Foundations 2 cd set or total warm up/total workout
Roger Kain- The Complete vocal workout

Questions:

How long have you been using this program?
How long did it take to see results? How dramatic were they?
Any tips/suggestions that could help me improve/ do the exercises correctly?
How long do you practice on an average (time) and how often (no. of days in a week)?
For those who have done more than one of the programs: Which one is better? What are the pros and cons?

I have done Foundations 2 cd set and Roger Love's Set you voice free and am currently considering buying Roger Kain's CD. I like pop and rock equally and would like to develop a more powerful and edgy voice. Please offer any suggestions, experiences, opinions etc. that will help me do better. I have another long list of programs that I have, but would like to focus on these for now. If you have any questions, do ask. If you have any samples of your singing, I am all ears.

Thank you so much for your valuable time. I really appreciate it.

Re: Has anyone tried any of these vocal programs? Please give your opinion

Early on in my career, many years ago, I was taking SLS lessons, then called 'The Seth Riggs' method.  While being very diligent with my lessons every week, that method wrecked my voice.  I had nodes 3 times in 3 years!  I thought I was going to have to stop singing and lose my career, then I was referred to a teacher who saved my voice.  He taught a method based in Bel Canto, really opposite of the principles in SLS, and not only did Bel Canto get rid of my nodes, but I never, ever had a vocal problem again! 

Find a teacher who is familiar with Bel Canto singing, no matter what style you sing (I sing Pop/Rock/Musical Theater, not Opera), and see how singing becomes effortless - like it is meant to be!
Best of luck!  Beth Lawrence, Viva La Voice

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I've recently been to a very good Bel Canto instructor but I can quite honestly tell you right now that Bel Canto is not the answer if you want to sing commercial material.

It works to create a resonant voice 'beautiful singing' up and down the range but unless the instructor understands commercial voice sounds and compression etc it's not gonna work for you and frankly that last part doesn't really sit with traditional Bel Canto teaching anyway.

Like most classical technique, they want you to stand rigidly, it's all about support and when was the last time you saw an acclaimed tenor of Bel Canto technique make it look easy to reach A and high C for a man?  Sorry, these guys are amazing but they don't sing rock and pop and have to do 2 45 minute sets or more every night.  It's also worth pointing out that Bel Canto / classical guys normally only have one or 2 high notes to sing usually leading up to their show stopper high note.

You don't see Sting, Steve Perry or Gary Le Vox (Rascal Flatts) killing themselves for their notes because it's all sung in a different mode of voice.  They dance around in the F thru C range all the time in their songs.  Their mix or middle voice is made by a mix of pharyngeal tone and just enough air to keep the cords together.

Re: Has anyone tried any of these vocal programs? Please give your opinion

It sounds like you had an unfortunate experience smpzpirate, with a bad teacher!  There are 'bad' teachers in every type of vocal instruction, I guess the trick is to find someone who is knowledgeable, compassionate, intuitive, sings multiple styles themself, and knows how to adapt their teaching style to each unique voice.

Standing rigidly, tensely puffed up with air is ridiculous, and old school.  Forcing people out of a comfortable register is counter-productive and not necessary, especially for most singers, even at a professional level.  Who needs 4 octaves?  You barely need three, in my opinion.  There's far too much burden put on a singer to have a gigantic range.  In the real world, a strong, functional range will rarely go above a F for both women and men unless you're a virtuoso classical/opera singer.  Having anything above that is good for the occasional 'money note', but rarely does anyone sing in a high tessitura and stay there.  That's uncomfortable for both the singer and the listener!

For my whole professional career, I never sang Opera, and my voice was saved by a teacher who taught me Bel Canto.  So I can't agree with you on Bel Canto and 'commercial singing'.  I sang jingles, soundtracks; hardcore R&B, never classical, and my style was not impacted by Bel Canto singing.  If anything, it freed me to get rid of uncomfortable constriction that kept me from pushing too hard and reaching for notes, while still maintaining my pop style.  It all became effortless!

As far as 'mix' what I have love about Bel Canto is that you don't even think about that stuff!  You have ONE voice from top to bottom, bottom to top without any break, no chest, no head, no pharyngeal tone - you just open your mouth and sing because you have learned to get out of the way and let  your natural vocal production take over- everything just flows out without manipulation or strain.

Without learning Bel Canto singing principles, I wouldn't have had a career.  In finding a good teacher, the best advice I can give is that while singing/studying with someone - if what they are asking you to do does not feel easy; if you feel strain or tension - then it's not right.  In Bel Canto, everything moves towards opening, relaxing, and ease of singing.  Don't give up just because of this bad experience!  Beth, Vivalavoice.com

Re: Has anyone tried any of these vocal programs? Please give your opinion

Hi Beth,
With the best of respect, I've seen you youtube demonstration videos and when you can demonstrate Kelly Clarkson in a full pop rock type tone then by all means, I'd love to hear it.

The Bel Canto teacher I went has years of experience but none of the teaching comes close to making the sounds most of us need in pop and rock music.

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I am very excited at the moment cause i have reached the point in my singing and speaking where i can call myself a voice doctor. I have studied many schools of voice training, including most of the ones listed above. Here's my story.

I been interested in singing from a very young age and had indeed sang alot as a child. My mum still sings in church and whereever she likes really and she is 63. I am 43 and started singing for a living at the age of 28ish. Before that time i was singing for about four years unprofessionally. I used to go to karaoke and sing my heart out, at one point i went seven days a week to different karaoke's. to say i'm a singerholic would be an understatement. Anyway I could at that point sing anything from opera to soul to rock to reggae, to some female songs in their key, i had a really strong voice and still do. one of my songs that would just seal it in karaoke competions was always and forever by heatwave.  And i used to hit that high note effortlessly. thats how strong or right my voice was. At this point i had never heard the word support or bridge or had never had vocal lessons. I was what you'd call a natural. Well my troubles started when i did become a professional singer and started doing the pubs and clubs. singing for many hours started to produce fatigue in my voice, i started to feel abit hoarse the next day and the always and forever high note started to be a little harder to produce. by the way this was not from doing two 45 minute sets, this was from 3,4,5,6 and even 9 hours of almost continuous singing over a few years. before the hoarseness and croakiness started becoming worse, i used to pride myself on how bullet proof my voice was, cause it pretty much was to a certain extent.

As the vocal issues got worse i started to study voice in an effort to fix my voice and strenghtnen it. i looked on the net as one does, for vocal exercises and techniques and after reading so much conflicting information, from places which i don't need to mention cause they all had one thing in common. i found a site about perfect voice which talked about the use of the back of the tongue muscle called the hyo glossus muscle.

well at this point i purchased the course and started doing the main exercise. doing this exercise gave me my voice back, but more about that later.

after getting fantastic results with this course, my curious mind almost killed my voice altogether, cause i continued to look and practise other contradictory information about the voice, which compounded in me getting nodules, a singers worst nightmare. Now i was faced with a horrible dilema, stopping singing for six months or so to let them go down, or having them cut out and risk never having a smooth voice again. My word this is one of the most deppressing times of my life. Meanwhile i had a very busy calender of gigs to fullfill and didn't want to let anyone down for their wedding or birthday that i'd been booked for.

So to cut an already long story short, after all the wrong focus on breathing and forward placement and singing in the mask and lip bubbling and vocalizes, and larynx dropping,which if done the wrong way will give you nodules just as sure as singing for too long will without rest. i was left with one thing, the little muscle in the back of my tongue, which as i have observed in myself and others,if it is being used and controlled well, brings about the voice you've always wanted, or the good voice you used to have, and repaired my nodules, without the neccessary vocal rest period supposedly needed. I didn't cancel one gig for my voice, and i did every single one, every weekend 2 to 3 times per week, for the next few years after that. And my voice is stronger than ever. i must admit i'm still a singer holic and need to rest, which will give me great bennifit. i mean tired musles don't work as well as refreshed ones. and when ever i do rest and drink water my voice handles the always and forever high note. my tone is so much fuller now than it was back in the early days of singing and i owe it all to perfect voice tongue attack technique. i challenge anyone in the world to prove me wrong.

God bless from voice doctor

God Bless Voicedoctor

Re: Has anyone tried any of these vocal programs? Please give your opinion

Sorry i've just gotta say abit more. most babies and children use the tongue attack and when one does use it breathing and masking and blending are not needed cause then happen automatically. you have to sing or speak pretty badly to not use this technique cause it is natural. it's the vocal technique you were born with. most singing teachers who don't know this will mess up your voice, not on purpose, but cause they didn't know. the ones that help your voice are the ones who either give you exercises which just happen to strenghten the back of tongue muscle, like kkkk or ggggg exercises if done at the back of the tongue. or the other senario is that the person already uses their voice right and hence it naturally strengthens as they use it more in singing lessons. one of the reasons i figured this out is because i used to do it the right way for years, and with very little rest only experienced slight deteriation of voice after a 9 hour gig. yes i was nuts. it was new years eve. the first year i did that, i didn't get nodules, and then after a busy year, of doing forward placement style singing i got nodules. then after a short time of using the back of my tongue more consciously my nodules went away without time off..put it this way the hyoglossus is to talking and singing like the fingers are for playing the piano, or the legs are for walking or your throat is for swallowing. yes you can play the piano with your elbows or walk with your hands, or swallow with your eyeballs, but there is a more efficient way to do those things. The way nature intended. now the hyoglosuss muscle is for tensioning the vocal cords, which is necessary for pitch and volume of voice, basically for tuning. which is why it is placed in such a strategic place right in the back of your mouth where the sound comes from, lol!! It can be controlled so easily and then you feel like you are playing an instrument, rather than your being played. it's so simple it goes under or over most peoples heads. Don't dismiss this information please. you own it to yourself to master your voice like you've mastered walking and running.

God bless from voicedoctor

God Bless Voicedoctor