Topic: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hi, Folks,

I just purchased a VoiceLive Touch, and it's definitely a great tool.  However, I just don't like editing patches on the device.  I have a Line6 POD, and really prefer editing patches on my computer with a piece of software.

Since no software exists for editing patches on the VoiceLive Touch (and Vyzor's seems to be delayed), I was considering building one.  However, I was wondering how many folks would pay for a voice editor? 

I'm considering creating a Kickstarter project, but also looking to the forum here to get a general idea on how many people are interested.  If many are, I might proceed with the project.  I have a full-time job, a band, and kids, so I want to make sure it will be worth it to carve out the time for this project.

BTW: it would likely be Windows only, since I don't have a Mac.

Please post a reply if you are interested.

TC-Helicon:  If this post is against the forum rules, please feel free to remove it.  Also, if this is something you can lend moral support to, let me know!

Thanks,

Brad

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Good idea.  Were you thinking like in teh range of 19.95 USD??  Unless, you build a really full featured application I think this would kind of be my max for consideration - but I'm pretty cheap.  Good luck.

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Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Yes, was thinking along those lines for pricing, if it ends up good.  I thought a good first step would be just controlling all the functions via MIDI in an easier interface and then just saving on the device.  Next step would be a full-fledge patch load/unload/save, etc.

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Do not get me wrong, but we are in the "app" age. I think your application should be below 2 usd, since it is just a utulity... I would definitely say yes, but 19,95 is a LOT for a patch editor.

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Good point, undream.  My main point is that I'll spend extra time to make it professional quality kind of pricepoint.  I was really thinking more about $10 or $15. 

Anyway, pricing is moot if only very few are interested.

Maybe I'm too used to the world that I work in, where we create and sell highly specialized scientific software for a LOT of money to very few customers..... :-)

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

I have worked with the Line 6 Pod for years and it was only with the computer app editing that I was able to really get that thing programmed. 

I now have been working with the VLT for a couple months and without an app for editing it will be slow going until I can really create some custome sounds.  Point is, I know how cool this app would be.  You got my $15. It would be well worth the value.

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Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

I would probobly pay 15usd as well, but that is just because of having no other solutions...... I do think, helicon HAS to support this. I'm reading a lot about people having issues with delay, etc. of the VLT, and weirdly after making my purchase, started to see a lot of negative comments related to helicon.

I started to think I paid too much for a piece of gear that is not fully supported by its company.

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Just one person's opinions of course, but I don't find the VLT to have THAT many parameters that I feel I'd pay $15 for an editor. $0.99 for an editor app on my iPad? Definitely.

I have a Pod X3Live, Blofeld, Korg M3, and all have free editors (unofficial in the case of Blofeld) that I never even use. About the only time I break them out is for patch management, which is already covered for the VLT.

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

but this app could work with VL2 too?

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

I will pay for it! Absolutely.
I need this app very, very much...

Please - write it quickly!!!

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I'm not sure I fully understand this app suggestion. Do you just create the patches on the PC and send them to the VLT, or can you hear the changes instantly as you modify the patch? Unless you can hear instant changes, this process would become a very tedious method for patch creation imo. A PC-based patch creator which lets you hear exactly what you're doing would be worth $10-$15 for me.

Are there legal issues with selling software connected to another company's product? Will you have to pay royalties or something?

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hi winger,

Vyzor has created editors for us in the past and was "apparently" working on a VL2 and Touch editor, but I haven't heard anything about it in quite a while.

As far as I know, if you create and sell an editor, there's no royalties etc. to be paid. I think there might be some limits on using our logos or somehow indicating that its a TC-Helicon affiliated product etc., but I can get you that info if you do go forward with your own build.

Cheers,
Craig

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Cheers Craig. I'm yet to start the programming module on my electronic engineering course, but this might be a good project for me to choose next year. I'll keep it in mind for sure smile

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Winger,

Actually, the instant changes are the easy part.  The hard part is getting the info from the VoiceLive Touch to make sure the program is in-sync with the device.  That is, when I change to a certain patch or favorite from the computer, what are all the settings in the VoiceLive Touch? 

I've asked TC Helicon for the Sysex implementation, but I don't know if/when they'll give it to me.  I was hoping I could figure this all out over Christmas vacation, but without the Sysex, it's going to be quite a task. :-)

-Brad

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Think this a great idea, just a suggestion though. I would would not have a problem payin $15 but if you keep it lower for the cheap seat people then you are more likely to sell twice as many if not more programs which in the long run would make you more and it also gives people a reason not to try download it without paying.(if you know what i mean) its all about bulk turn over profit not high profit for a few programs. again just a suggestion and look forward to your program.(what is your timeframe till release) cheers

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Fox,

At this point I'm thinking about 10 dollars.  It is also turning out to be much more difficult than I expected.  The Sysex for the VLT is not a 1:1 setting mapping.  There seem to be a lot of extra settings in the file that are not available on the unit.  I'm trying to figure it all out so I know what coincides with each setting on the unit itself. 

Anyway, I figure it might take about a month once I figure all of that out. 
Christmas vacation is almost over.  :-(

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Btw:  I am getting good info from Craig at TC Helicon, and encouragement, too.  Just wanted to thank him for all the support.  His and Joey's presence on this forum is impressive IMO.

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Thanks Brad!

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hey Brad, thx for the reply let me know when its done, i'm definitely keen. cheers. enjoy the Christmas holidays.

ps, will your program allow us to give presets names

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Fox,

Yes, it would be able to name presets.  That should be simple enough.  Assuming I can figure out enough to make the tool in the first place.

I'm still trying to figure out all the harmony stuff.  It is *very* elaborate and might require a lot of work.  There are a gazillion settings, and they are all based on "voice 1," "voice 2", etc. (up to 4), but not named for what they really are (Bass, Low, Higher, etc.).  That's going to make this harder to deal with....

-Brad

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

I dont envy you. good luck

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hiya Craig,

Is a sysex manual available for the VLT.

If so, any chance of a copy.

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Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

count me in-- hope you can make this work!!

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hey Brad just got the VLT and already need an editor , this is great but it really needs to be able to create your own patches plus the need to add feedback to the delay and hopefully an EQ

i guess im asking for too much but at least the editor is ESSENTIAL!

is a great machine but its features are pretty much locked makes me feel like having an iphone on att

hope u make the editor , or the tc helicon guys release theirs

please let me know any advance on this

Cheers to eveybody

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

At that price, I'd be willing to buy it, but please put some consideration into the interface. I've seen editors (SoundDiver among others) that has made the interface a mess :-)

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hi all,

Just to be clear, there isn't an editor "in the works" or planned from TCH now or in the foreseeable future. I don't want folks to be holding on for something that isn't coming, at least from the company itself. I have very high hopes for Brad's though big_smile

-Craig

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Hey as new VLT touch user (by proxy) I think a more enhanced editor would be so very useful.

Granted, there are not as many parameters to edit as other devices, I think the UI of the VLT is what hinders it in terms of patch editing.

I would certainly pay a modest amount for an editor but to be honest, I was actually surprised to find out that a full editor was not bundled with the hardware from scratch.

Will be interested to see how this pans out for sure.

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

an editor sounds like a good plan. don't price it too low either. there just aren't that many of use with a vlt... it's not an iPhone everyone has...

an external editor is needed because what we have now is nothing more than dragging and dropping preset names into a column. I hate trying to edit through the unit itself... I can't remember 12 buttom combo push this while sliding that to get where I want. seeing stuff on a screen would be worth 20 bucks alone to me.

I mean we pay $500 for something, then worry about something costing 20 bucks should be priced 10? 10 bucks? let's not be cheap

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Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

Forget it...
now they're involved selling VLP.. and working for it...

Re: Patch Editor -- Who wants one?

nightfly68 wrote:

Forget it...
now they're involved selling VLP.. and working for it...

Now yer just being a dick.