3 VoiceTone Pedal Setup on Pedaltrain PT/JR-SC (Page 1 of 2)

Hi,

First of all, congrats on purchasing the full VoiceTone range!

Here's the skinny on finding a power supply for 3 VoiceTones:

(1) ONE-SPOT from Visual Sound,  Will not work- is 9VDC, must be 12VDC
(2) PEDAL POWER 2 from VooDoo Labs  Will not work- max voltage out is 9VDC, must be 12VDC  ,
(3) SUPACHARGER from BBE Sound,  Will not work-can supply sufficient voltage, but only supplies 100mA current on each output, needs 300mA for each pedal   
(4) POWERALL from Godlyke, Will not work- is 9VDC, must be 12VDC
(5) DC-BRICK from Jim Dunlop, Will not work- is 9VDC, must be 12VDC
(6) VALVULATOR from VHT,   Will not work- is 9VDC, must be 12VDC, and not enough current output
(7) BIG JOHN from Carl Martin Will not work- is 9VDC, must be 12VDC   (8) FLATLINER POWER from Burkey  Not sufficient current output

Here's what is needed to power 3 at a time:
12VDC, 1000mA supply, center negative.

Hey Mark, ... that was usefull wasnt it?  Thanks Tom.

In terms of bunding the VTS into one chassis, I could be wrong, Im guessing here, but I dont think TCH is planning on doing that. Why dont you just get a pedal rack system like what guitarists use that you put all your pedals in and then it closes like an anvil case... in that way, you have accomplished pretty much the same thing in terms of organizing.

The price point on the VTs is probably the best any of us are going to get. The thing to keep in mind here is TC products are known for quality & value, not "stack 'em deep, sell 'em cheap".  The manufacturing specs on these pedals is high grade... you dont get cheapy parts and plastic. So when you purchase VT pedals, your also investing in higher end gear in terms of production quality... thus the price. But $250 for these high quality vocal pedals which are the only ones on the market anyways? 

Seriously, if they were asking for $500, Id buy them.

Thank you Tom for the advice and specs. Btw, is TCH planning to design a power train for users with the full range of voicetone pedals? .... If not, where could I get hold of a PS 12VDC, 1000mA supply, center negative?

Thanks Robert for the advice. You're right about using the pedal rack system and I'm going ahead to purchase the pedaltrain, but as mentioned before, it's just going to take time to find a quality multi plug adaptor slim enough to fit the underside of the rack, which also has to come with a black casing to match the gear. Yes I'm a fussy chap. Every thing should fit and look "Correct" to compliment the VTs great looking and fantastic sound. Let's wait for Tom's response on whether TCH will soon introduce a power train for the VTs, or direct to an alternative source to purchase one that will do the job.   

What I like about the VTs are that they are made for the solo vocalist in mind. It doesn't need to be hooked up to an instrument. The vocalist has total control over his sound just like musicians. TCH should consider working on a VT Harmony4, that doesn't need to be hooked up to an instrument.

On pricing, I do agree it is priced a little beyond what most can afford, but there again this is a premium product. It's got good built quality and sound to match.

Though I've not tried the DigiTechs myself, many who have used it commented it can sound rather unrealistic compared to VTs. I'm really happy with the VTs and hope TCH will seriously do something about providing accessories like a micro all-into-one PS, a proper gig bag with a custom rack to house from 1 up to 3 VTs.  It is a premium product that deserves premium accesories.

Last edited by Faith Vocalist (2008-05-08 07:10:17)

I wonder if this would work for 3 VT pedals? Not cheap, and not sure about the amperage on the 4 x 12 VDC, but does have switchable polarity.
SKB SKB-PS-55 Stagefive Professional Pedalboard
http://www.guitarcenter.com/SKB-SKB-PS- … 1371945.gc
All DC jacks have polarity switches so center negative or center positive is not a problem with the SKB-PS-55 Stagefive Professional Pedalboard. The power is filtered, regulated and short circuit protected with a detachable main power cord with a 115/230 VAC power supply so you can travel internationally with no problems. And the Stagefive Professional Pedalboard is covered by the SKB Million Mile Guaranty on the case and five year warranty on the electronics

Confirm with your friend, as I think the reason Tom said 1000mA or 1 amp is each pedal requires 300mA and you are daisy chaining them. If you use 3 of the 4 12 VDC center negative on the SKB-PS-55 then each only need to be 300mA. I can call SKB, but I am pretty sure this board will work.
Robert replied to another post very similar to this one stating TC-Helicon is making your requested power and tray. Very cool that TCH monitors the board and cares enough to listen. The quality of people and discussion on this forum really impresses me. Well done.
Robert Lunte posted:
... A powertrain / universal power source for the pedals and rack are in the works Blizz... we have listened and they are on it... the product is new... so it needs to settle and collect some consumer feedback and such to determine what accesories we need... this being one of them.... use a power strip for now... soon we will have a tray with one cable.

Last edited by Mark (2008-05-12 04:44:35)

Hey Mark I think you are right about the SKB-PS-55... and wasn't sure if TCH was going to roll out a power and tray for the VTs or they were just considering the idea. Now knowing TCH are on the way to putting one out for the VTs, I'm definately going to wait for it. Thanks again Mark.

The VTs have been used for a couple of gigs already and I'm quite sure of being one of the very first few to be using the VTs in Asia. Almost everytime musicians and SE walk over when I setup curious on checking out my gear. 

At the moment I'm using the VTs original boxes, stacked into a travel bag to prevent the units from getting damaged when I go for gigs. Any idea if I could purchase the TCH Gig Bag which was available to customers earlier this year?

Hi Jaime, I totally agree with you on what a great product the Voicelive is. The VTs are the same in terms of the quality of sound but it is meant for those who do not have the time to spend on programing settings for each song.   Being totally impressed with the VTs performance, I've actually decided to also purchase the voicelive with a VSM 300XT.

Last edited by Faith Vocalist (2008-05-12 17:08:10)

"What I like about the VTs are that they are made for the solo vocalist in mind"

Actually i think it is the "problem". They forgot there are singers who have to play other instruments and step on other pedals.

Is there something that Voicelive DOES NOT have, and the VTs have? From what i read, i understood that the Voicelive does not have the megaphone/telephone/distortion sounds, is this true?

I'm seriously considering buying the VTs (specially Create, at first), but the 2 footswitches configuration is so bad IMHO. That's why i'm considering Voicelive.

Sorry for messing the topic.

Alexandre

It's great to know Laura Clapp uses the Pedaltrain Jr too. I personally think it's the best way to take the VTs on the road.

Any chance of getting Laura to share her detailed VT/Pedaltrain set-up with us?

I owned the VoiceLive unit a while back, but the interface was WAY too complicated so I sold it.  If one were to put all of the VoiceTone effects and controls into a single unit, the result would be a much less usable box, as there would have to be multiple menus and submenus on each controller knob, etc.

I love the VoiceTone pedals for their quality and their simplicity.  If you're not an obsessive and patient tweaker, stay away from VoiceLive.

That said, the problem of the power chords is a real one--There ought to be some way for one pedal to power the others.  I believe that Boss has a feature like this on their guitar pedals.

Thanks so much Tom. I just got hold of the T-Rex Juicy Lucy and it's going to be fixed by next week.

I'm looking forward for TCH to launch a complete PS rack system for the VTs. Don't over look the idea of introducing a Harmony V for vocals without the need for guitar or keys.

FYI - My VTs has so far performed at the Jubilee Hall in Raffles Hotel in Singapore and the FOH engineer was so impressed with the sound I was achieving that he walked all the way over to me to check out the VTs. I will never leave home for a gig without the VTs ever.

Thanks again and Great job TCH for taking vocalists to a higher level.

Faith.

I used a three ring binder to keep my create off of a gravel driveway "stage" heehee Sean your flight case looks much more professional. And WHAT you are inside?? whutz up with THAT!! can i order somma that??? grin....jest kidding...its hot in TX....

Last edited by Rychemaiden (2008-08-07 12:12:52)

hey NiMo, wahtch out if you use a wireless mic and in ear monitor, you are going to need a Pedal Train Pro, the Jr. is too small to support more than one create pedal and the in ear and wireless mic transmitter/receivers"comfortably" or "cleanly"....

hey if you find XLR patch cables (1', 2') with "swivel" conectors, lemme kno!!

I have the VX400 as well.  The TC harmonies and doubles sound natural while the VX400's sound chipmunky. The TC sounds better overall however I have found the VX pedal usefull for bringing in repeats and reverb swells where I need them. Less is more with the VX pedal, The TC just sounds good overall.

Last edited by GOZ (2009-04-19 12:05:26)